Is Art Limited?

[Vllad]

That example misses the point that Tupac's songs were distinguished lyrically, not off what notes the music were in. Also the production on them was not just with base and drum but with sampling and other effects. Its a fundamentally different kind of music than either the dixie chicks or Bach of Mozart.

Lyrics are irrelevant to the discusssion of music. Maybe you can put it in the "Poetry" catagory but not the music catagory. This discussion was specific to music. When talking about Music think of it as listening to all songs with out any singer or just the singer singing the melody used over the music. Lyrical content is irrelevant. Remove the singer/rapper and now you are down to the music.

How are Tupac tracks fundamentally different then the Dixie Chicks?

I am a fan of every music genre other than metal (and pop music or nashville country), and they is vast variation in between all of them. To compare two drastically different sounds as pop country and mid 90s hip hop as the same because they are not as technically complex on as classical compositions is just silly.

Different sounds is irrelevant to music. Just like my earlier discription to Breand. You can play a 1-4-5 chord progression with acoustic guitar, sax or piano and they all sound different. The music is still a 1-4-5 chord progression.

How does Metal and Pop have vast variations between them musically?

To compare two drastically different sounds as pop country and mid 90s hip hop as the same because they are not as technically complex on as classical compositions is just silly.

You miss the point. I am not saying they are the same because they are overly simple musically. I am saying they are the same because they are the same.
It is as factual as saying 2 plus 2 equals 4. Music is entirely mathematical and it is just that simple.

(and also ignoring that lyrics are as much a part of music as an instrument).

Lyrics are not part of the music. The melody is. There are rules in music that must be strictly adhered to. 2 plus 2 always equals 4. Lyrics are poetry and can be interchanged with in music with out any consequence. The melody (the muscial part of singing) on the other hand can not. You can put in what ever words you want but the melody must stick with in its structure.

For example:

Sing the words from "Row Row Row your Boat" in the key of C Major. Now change those words to anything you like. Lets call it, "Kill Kill Kill your Mom". As long as you sing it in the key of C Major you now have a new hit.

Now Sing your new hit in the key of C Major while the accompaning instruments play in the key of D Minor and you now have people putting there hands to there ears.


Vllad