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Home schooling - Grieve - 04-30-2009
Has anyone tried this, either for themselves or their children? My wife is pushing the idea bigtime, particularly after some bad experiences at our local school (maybe not surprising, we do live in West Virginia after all...)
I'm still on the fence, but the stats sound promising:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp
Quote:The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects.
Quote:The study found that the average scores of the homeschool students were at or above the 80th percentile in all categories. The homeschoolers' national percentile mean was 84th for reading, 80th for language, 81st for math, 84th for science and 83rd for social studies.
Quote:In 1986, researcher Lauri Scogin surveyed 591 homeschooled children and discovered that 72.61% of the homeschooled children scored one year or more above their grade level in reading. 49.79% scored one year or more above their grade level in math.
Quote:A study at Wheaton College in Illinois showed that the freshmen that were home schooled for high school scored fifty-eight points higher on their SAT scores than those of kids that went to a normal school
Quote:58.9% report that they are "very happy" with life, compared with 27.6% for the general U.S. population. 73.2% find life "exciting", compared with 47.3%.
There are also some stats showing that 19.8% of homeschooled males get a Masters (compared to 5.4% nationally), and 8.8% get doctorates (compared to 3.1% nationally).
- Dustie - 04-30-2009
My sister in-law home schools here kids. I can send you her info if you have any questions. Her cousin also does it and their kids are geniuses. I don't think the magic is in home schooling, I think it's in having parents who 1) really care and 2) have time for their kids. Most parents care, but don't have the time IMO.
- Jodah - 04-30-2009
While I have not tried it (I had a good local school) from what I have read and seen in other people it really is better then most schools. That being said you must be sure they have plenty of time to socialize with others their age. The academics for home schooling is much better but they miss the interaction with others both good and bad. As much as public school is a fucking joke in this country the socializing is necessary.
- Jakensama - 04-30-2009
I did it and think it was a horrible experience, but the public middle schools in Savannah were shitholes and private school cost more than college.
Academically I didn't do bad because I am rather auto-didactic (although my math skills suck to this day and I think thats a big factor in it), but socially its rather miserable. I hear that if you have activities with other kids its not as bad, but you have to keep in mind that school is as much about socialization as education, especially at young ages.
- Grieve - 04-30-2009
Yeah, the socialization aspect is my biggest concern (well, 2nd biggest concern, the first is my wife being driven crazy(er) from being with the kids 24/7). There does seem a lot of local groups that help with getting together with other homeschooled kids, but most of them seem to be religious-based, which is a concern to me. I'm not opposed to promoting morality and helping others, but I don't want my kids being told that the old testament is literal history and that evolution is an evil lie...
- Dustie - 04-30-2009
Grieve Wrote:Yeah, the socialization aspect is my biggest concern (well, 2nd biggest concern, the first is my wife being driven crazy(er) from being with the kids 24/7). There does seem a lot of local groups that help with getting together with other homeschooled kids, but most of them seem to be religious-based, which is a concern to me. I'm not opposed to promoting morality and helping others, but I don't want my kids being told that the old testament is literal history and that evolution is an evil lie...
I think most of them are religion based because they don't like the fact that their kids get no religion in school. I'm sure you can find one that's non-fundamentalist though.
I guess the real take-away here though, is that Jake was home schooled. If that's not a case against it, I don't know what it is. zinger!
- Jakensama - 04-30-2009
Hey I'm one of the ones that brings up the stats of homeschoolers having masters, eat me!
I did run a fairly successfull BBS while homeschooled..
- Thudz - 04-30-2009
I'm against it for the following reasons.
1) Lack of socialization with other children.
2) Lack of time spent away from the parents.
3) Lack of exposure to other adults with diverse personalities and view points.
The approach my wife and I take is to supplement our children's public school education. Every night we review class work and help with home work. We always provide alternate views and methods to what their teacher has provided and we create extended study plans. It helps that my wife is an Education major.
- Hoofhurr - 04-30-2009
Thudz it sounds to me like you're in favor of both at the same time. That's hardly what I would call uninvolved.
- Thudz - 04-30-2009
Hoofhurr Wrote:Thudz it sounds to me like you're in favor of both at the same time. That's hardly what I would call uninvolved.
I'm against strictly home schooling. The social development aspect of getting your child out of the home and away from the parent is invaluable to the child's social development. You can't get by with play dates and sports activities, it's simply not enough. At the same time I'm disappointed how public school curriculum has been dumbed down to leave no child behind. That is why my wife and I supplement with our own teaching plans and activities.
- Dustie - 04-30-2009
Thudz Wrote:Hoofhurr Wrote:Thudz it sounds to me like you're in favor of both at the same time. That's hardly what I would call uninvolved.
I'm against strictly home schooling. The social development aspect of getting your child out of the home and away from the parent is invaluable to the child's social development. You can't get by with play dates and sports activities, it's simply not enough. At the same time I'm disappointed how public school curriculum has been dumbed down to leave no child behind. That is why my wife and I supplement with our own teaching plans and activities.
One thing to note, is that most home schooling (that I've seen) is not done in your own home. For example, (I'm guessing at the numbers) my sister in-law is in a group of about 50 or so families. Each family has different specialties. For example, about 20 kids go to one womens house for art. They go to a different persons house for certain science classes, and yet another house for literature. I don't know if that's how all of them work, but I do know that there is a lot more kid to kid interaction then I had previously thought before I knew someone who did it. Even still, I'm sure that the interaction is less then they would get in a school with hundreds of other children.
- bonestomper - 04-30-2009
while not Catholic, i sent my daught to parocial school for the k-4. (the school didn't have any after that). since i live in the boonies, it was relatively inexpensive and the best student to teacher ratio in the area (and that is one of the single best identifiable elements to success later)
it is just a different world today. she is 12. the summers when i was 12 i could have been 5 miles away from home on my bike, a couple of dollars in my pocket for lunch and the only rule was be home when the street lights came on. today my parents would be charged with neglect.
but i am all for home schooling if the parent really believes they could do it at any level above offered in the public system. there is such a varying degree of what public schools provide across the nation that i think it is impossible to make a blanket decision.
- Vllad - 04-30-2009
Why can't you do both?
I think home schooling removes the single most important factor in raising well adjusted kids.
Competition. Children need to aquire ambition in large amounts in order to apply anything they learn properly. They need to be in enviorments where they fail, succeed and compete.
They need dodge balls thrown at their heads, they need organized sports, they need passing and failing grades, they need to fist fight, pull hair, show agression, remove agression. They need to learn social skills (good and bad) and I just don't see how you do that with home schooling.
Why can't you send your kids to a public school and when they get home you spend your evenings giving your kids additional eductaion? Whats wrong with spending 3 to 4 hours every evening increasing your kids education? Plus they can learn their social skills in public school and all that goes with it.
Vllad
- Vanraw - 04-30-2009
I haven't done it, but know some folks in Cedar Rapids that did.
They solved some of the socialization issues in High School by partaking in the sports programs. I dont know if it's available in all states, but home schooled kids in Iowa can be on the football team etc. They also partook in activities like prom.
Doesnt solve all the issues but it helps.
- Moristans - 04-30-2009
Quote:I don't think the magic is in home schooling, I think it's in having parents who 1) really care and 2) have time for their kids. Most parents care, but don't have the time IMO.
Yup, agreed 100%.
I think homeschooling is fine, as long as kids have the opportunity to get involved in social social activities. There are plenty if opportunities for social interaction outside of school. In fact, I don't really think that school is an ideal, or even appropriate place for kids to be socialized. We've all known plenty of kids who were social mistfits in school.
- Diggles - 04-30-2009
Vllad Wrote:Why can't you do both?
I think home schooling removes the single most important factor in raising well adjusted kids.
Competition. Children need to aquire ambition in large amounts in order to apply anything they learn properly. They need to be in enviorments where they fail, succeed and compete.
They need dodge balls thrown at their heads, they need organized sports, they need passing and failing grades, they need to fist fight, pull hair, show agression, remove agression. They need to learn social skills (good and bad) and I just don't see how you do that with home schooling.
Why can't you send your kids to a public school and when they get home you spend your evenings giving your kids additional eductaion? Whats wrong with spending 3 to 4 hours every evening increasing your kids education? Plus they can learn their social skills in public school and all that goes with it.
Vllad
I agree with this. Need to learn you cant always choose who you will work for, be around, etc. Homeschooling is baby'ing them and sheltering them from the real world.
My sister drives her middle schooler to school because they have to ride with high schoolers. He's already told her 'mom, there are alot of bad kids at school'. But he already knows whats right or wrong and there are consequences at home if he doesnt heed what hes been taught.
- Jakensama - 04-30-2009
Its preparation for life, should kids necessarily be sheltered from the fact that many of the people they will meet and have to deal with in life are Terminal fuckups?
- Diggles - 04-30-2009
Jakensama Wrote:Its preparation for life, should kids necessarily be sheltered from the fact that many of the people they will meet and have to deal with in life are Terminal fuckups?
Thats why US needs to institute tracked programs to get the stupid kids who dont care away from the kids that want to learn.
Didnt do you homework? Guess what, you get to break rocks and clean tiolets all day.
Education for people who abuse the system should not be a right, it should be a privledge just like drivers license
- Jakensama - 04-30-2009
Just make them toss salads when they get Fs like Chris Rock proposed.
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- Moristans - 04-30-2009
Edit:
NM, it's Diggles. :lol:
- Dustie - 04-30-2009
My thoughts on sheltering kids:
I think kids do need to be sheltered to some extent. I was sent to high school in downtown DC. I'm glad I was at least 14-15 when I started having to take the metro, run from mean homeless guys, and get held up at knife/gun point. I don't think it would have worked out so well if I was sent downtown at age 5.
In other words, I think you start out sheltered, and slowly remove the protective shield that we all install on our newborn babies.
I totally disagree with the idea of having 1st graders on the same bus as 11th graders. That's crazy.
- Thudz - 04-30-2009
Dustie Wrote:My thoughts on sheltering kids:
I think kids do need to be sheltered to some extent. I was sent to high school in downtown DC. I'm glad I was at least 14-15 when I started having to take the metro, run from mean homeless guys, and get held up at knife/gun point. I don't think it would have worked out so well if I was sent downtown at age 5.
In other words, I think you start out sheltered, and slowly remove the protective shield that we all install on our newborn babies.
I totally disagree with the idea of having 1st graders on the same bus as 11th graders. That's crazy.
My school had grades K-12 in the same building. We all rode the same buses. Nobody died. You city folk are pussies.
- Hoofhurr - 04-30-2009
So you checked to make sure they all had pulses before you left the scene eh Thudz?
- Dustie - 04-30-2009
Thudz Wrote:Dustie Wrote:My thoughts on sheltering kids:
I think kids do need to be sheltered to some extent. I was sent to high school in downtown DC. I'm glad I was at least 14-15 when I started having to take the metro, run from mean homeless guys, and get held up at knife/gun point. I don't think it would have worked out so well if I was sent downtown at age 5.
In other words, I think you start out sheltered, and slowly remove the protective shield that we all install on our newborn babies.
I totally disagree with the idea of having 1st graders on the same bus as 11th graders. That's crazy.
My school had grades K-12 in the same building. We all rode the same buses. Nobody died. You city folk are pussies.
Same building is different, there, you at least have teachers to protect you
School buses are like "Lord of the flys" rules
- Thudz - 04-30-2009
Dustie Wrote:Thudz Wrote:Dustie Wrote:My thoughts on sheltering kids:
I think kids do need to be sheltered to some extent. I was sent to high school in downtown DC. I'm glad I was at least 14-15 when I started having to take the metro, run from mean homeless guys, and get held up at knife/gun point. I don't think it would have worked out so well if I was sent downtown at age 5.
In other words, I think you start out sheltered, and slowly remove the protective shield that we all install on our newborn babies.
I totally disagree with the idea of having 1st graders on the same bus as 11th graders. That's crazy.
My school had grades K-12 in the same building. We all rode the same buses. Nobody died. You city folk are pussies.
Same building is different, there, you at least have teachers to protect you
School buses are like "Lord of the flys" rules
Riding on a school bus, as a elementary school student, with high school students gave me alot of vital life lessons and made me the person I am today.