That is some serious BS

[Tawonda]

Looks like Bleeding Hollow has more resemblance to Vallon Zek than we ever wanted to see. Thanks for the heads up about GD. A lot of depressing stuff coming to light, not to mention some deja vu. It's really great to know that they share a TS server and point out their own teammates to each other. Makes me feel warm inside.

Call on the Baddies when you need us.

[Moristans]

Heya Tawonda,

Yeah, I wonder how this would be going over if WoW players had more experiences like those on VZ. I just hope Blizzard is prepared to deal seriously with crossteam exploiting. Never underestimate an asshat when it comes to the ability to find exploits that screw up PvP balance. If I knew for sure that Blizzard will shut them down, i'd be more willing to laugh it all off.

[Rallick]

It gives me something to read while at work. Plus there are times where I LOVE to stir the pot a little and see what falls out

I'm sure a few BBB Folks can attest to my posting habits hehehe.

[Tawonda]

The fun continues today. Apparently getting attention is higher on their list of priorities then gaining respect.

What I think Blizzard might be interested in is the PvE component. If these players band together and sheep each other in order to survive encounters, that smacks of outright exploit to me. I guess I'm cynical as far as expecting a response from Blizzard as far as pvp goes, but I'd love to be wrong.

Anyway, if the sheeping thing gets around, I can see mages getting a major nerf. Which would really suck.

I love it when they ask what a FEF is. Although I keep wanting to ask if their GL's name is Alann in RL. Although Alann was a hell of a lot more articulate than that guy is.

[Kardis]

Here is a simple solution when you sheep another player they dont' gain the massive HP regen. I doubt that would be hard to code into the spell.

[Rallick]

Here is a simple solution when you sheep another player they dont' gain the massive HP regen. I doubt that would be hard to code into the spell.

They put that in because Mages were abusing another aspect of it. Fight, Fight Fight etc...on no...I can't win atm. SHEEP! Wait the 10 seconds to be considered out of combat and then eat/drink. Then back up and fight the mob again.

They also put it this way so that sheep was used on mobs that are not in combat per say yet. Also removes it from being used as an Interupt on caster type mobs (people were killing Dragons by chain sheeping).

They need another fix then that one unfortunately.

[Veraphim]

Well, the reason for the massive regen is to resolve a huge expoloit that was in beta.

What they need to do though is make it like a 3-5 second delay before the regen kicks in. As it is now, you get like 1/2 of both hp and mana back the instant the sheep hits, so even a rogue swinging away at the target doesn't break the spell before the sheep has gained back a huge chunk of vitals.

[Kardis]

Grasty what I am saying is only when the spell is casted on a PC, not an NPC, does the massive regen not work. They should be able to easily put in the code to say if target is NPC allow for normal working of spell else take away the regen.

[Slamz]

I don't know if I'd like that, though. It would resolve the PvE/PvP exploit but would make Sheep hugely valuable in normal PvP. Nuke, nuke, nuke, sheep, rest, nuke, nuke, sheep, rest...

That would be pretty annoying.

Got another exploit out of those threads, too. Mind control. I'm attacking some Enclave, a Horde priest can mind control them and now I can't attack. Almost like a paladin invulnerability shield. 1v1 they can't keep doing it but group vs group they could play merry hell on your ability to keep enemies targeted. Not very practical, but there it is.


Best thing for Polymorph I think would simply be a 3 second delay between the time you sheep and the time the healing starts. If you tried to use it in PvP, the enemy could break it before the heal kicked in.

The PvE abuse is already limited by the fact that Horde and Alliance can't enter an instance together. I figure Blizzard probably doesn't care that much if people exploit places like Felwood with this trick. They won't be able to do it anywhere good, like BRS. In the end, you'd still be better off to have that enemy mage just delete his characters and reroll as a friendly priest. He'd accomplish the same function and be a hell of a lot more useful.


So GD and Enclave can have their gay little alliance. In the end, they're hurting each other more than helping. Instead of GD + 30 Horde friends it's going to be GD + 30 Enclave, and those Enclave are going to be useless. I think you'll see some of their members slipping out the back to find more advantageous guilds. WOW is more like EQ in terms of needing people. You can't just sign up to some funny forum guild if you want to be able to do anything at level 60.

[Manji]

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Thanks guys. I love you. Slander is awesome. Anyway, Why couldn't you have come to our forums bringing this stuff up with us? Was it really that difficult? I'm not here to cause trouble, I'm here to confirmj and help correct some accusations about us.

It would resolve the PvE/PvP exploit

I agree that the healing shouldn't be there for pvp usage. but then again, it should be as a consequence.

As mind control is concerned, it totally blows. I was fighting some guy in gadgetzan and this happened. I bet you're glad to know we don't have any preists but 1.

Best thing for Polymorph I think would simply be a 3 second delay between the time you sheep and the time the healing starts. If you tried to use it in PvP, the enemy could break it before the Bheal kicked in.

Very good idea dude. Submit it to the suggestions forums.

Instead of GD + 30 Horde friends it's going to be GD + 30 Enclave, and those Enclave are going to be useless. I think you'll see some of their members slipping out the back to find more advantageous guilds.

I'm not leaving GD. I love the friends I've made. I don't care if you think of me(Dunane) as a traitor, but I'll help you out whenever you need it. think what you will, but i'll be there. I hate the enclave as a whole. I don't hate a few individuals.


Which brings me to the purpose of me posting in this,....you'll find it in my thread I'm about to create.

[Moristans]

Manji,

Granted, you don't know us very well but, believe it or not, our leadership will handle 99% of all in game issues in game There aren't too many misunderstandings or issues that cannot be resolved throgh tells between GMs and officers. We'd rather not take them to public forums, period.

Zimjin tried to do exactly that through tells to members of GD. He got the kind of response that suggests that your leadership was not willing to even talk about it. Can you come up with any reason to got to your forum after getting rebuffed in game with a response as lame and childish as "your Mom" to a simple question, "who's your GM?"?

Sorry, but we do not make a habit of going to public forums but we do not fear it either.

As far as how we view GD as a whole at this point, again, sorry. Your guildwide response to the issue we raised ranged from more childish "your Mom" jokes, to denial that there is an issue, to some recognition that there is an issue, to threats that that can of behavior will be expected in the future, to suggestions that it will not be. That was just from your leadership, nevermind your guild as a whole.

While we would love to deal with GD on an individual by indivudial basis, that simply is not feasible in an MMO. All we really want is some consistent policy from your leadership.
Your attitude is, we do what we want, deal with it.

Ok. This is how we deal.

[Manji]

Zimjin tried to do exactly that through tells to members of GD. He got the kind of response that suggests that your leadership was not willing to even talk about it. Can you come up with any reason to got to your forum after getting rebuffed in game with a response as lame and childish as "your Mom" to a simple question, "who's your GM?"?

however, he took it upon himself to message someone who was not an officer. He messaged dethacus simple because he was the highest level person online at the moment.

I myself am an Officer. IF you have anymore problems, take it up with ME and ME alone. if I'm not online at the moment, send me a letter through MAIL. That's why it's there.

thank you, and tell your other members to stop keeping this shit alive. I'm trying hard to make our members stfu about it as is demented.

[Slamz]

I can't tell who's an officer and who's not. I talked to someone, he wouldn't give me anyone else to talk to and he proceeded to answer my questions as if he was in a position to represent his guild.

According to your forum post:

Actually, I told dethacus to say that to you because you're an idiot.

So an officer did know what was going on at the time. In fact, it was you. You thought I was some insignificant nitwit that didn't deserve the time of day. I may not be real big, I may not be level 60, my guild may not be killing Onyxia tomorrow but I've got a fucking bullhorn and I know how to use it, jackass.

After that, I didn't care to talk to anyone from your guild about the matter and took it to the forums to notify the rest of the server about your policies. Subsequent posts from your officers, including Etherboo and Ixil only reinforced the fact that talking to your guild further would have been a complete waste of time.

Here was Ixil's first word on the subject:

OH NOES!!!!!!!!! CRY ME A !&$%ING RIVER

Your officers are a bunch of childish asshats and their responses sent your guildname crashing into the mud faster than anything I could have said myself.

I can't imagine what more you want from me at this point. It's not like I'm going around saying, "Psst, hey Sturmgrenadier, let's boycott GD!" I don't have those kinds of connections.

The reactions you're getting now from the other Horde are about 1% the result of my post and 99% the result of the way all the dumbasses in your guild reacted to it.

Demented, Ixil, Etherboo and a number of others in your guild simply do not understand or appreciate the value of a reputation. I'm sorry to see that some members of your guild are upset to find that they can't group with their friends in SG anymore when they had nothing to do with anything that happened, but there's nothing I can do about it. You've got some real dumbasses in your guild and if they can't put a sock in it, it's only going to get worse.

There's nothing I can do for you here.


Your own guildleader said:

is the purge an RP guild? cause the last time i remember people who cared about human on human alliance/horde contact was the shadowclan.

Yeah? Well you're wrong. Turns out, quite a lot of people care.

And according to you:

Just because we "help" each other out once in a while doesn't mean we don't kill them.

Helping them out once in a while is all a lot of us needed to know to want to disassociate ourselves with your guild. My guildmates and I came here to play a game of Horde vs Alliance and we would like to avoid people who don't want to play that way, no matter how nice and polite they are. The fact that you turned out to be a bunch of jerks just made it easier.

[Moristans]

however, he took it upon himself to message someone who was not an officer. He messaged dethacus simple because he was the highest level person online at the moment.

I myself am an Officer. IF you have anymore problems, take it up with ME and ME alone. if I'm not online at the moment, send me a letter through MAIL. That's why it's there.

You know Manji,

If anybody at anytime during gameplay feels they need to talk to an officer of The Purge, all they have to do is message any player wearing a <Purge> tag and we will try to resolve the issue or refer him directly to Zimjin himself if possible. For the most part, any player wearing a <Purge> tag can be relied upon to, at least, clearly state guild policy.

If you are suggesting that it is not advisable to message anybody with a GD tag just to find out who would be the person to talk to if an issue arises, then that's just another point where our guilds differ. Yes, Zim "took it upon himself" to message a member of GD to aid in resolving an issue. Apparently, that is not a prudent plan of action when it comes to GD.

Duely noted.

If you are taking it upon yourself to be the spokesman and purveyor of GD policy, I'm sure any <Purge> reading this thread will be happy to take issues involving GD members directly to you.

Does this mean that GD now has a consistent policy that you can clarify and speak to without telling us that you can not be responsible for the actions of any individual GD member?

[GreenTurnip]

Manji = Dunane right?

If that is the case then I am going to ask you to leave. If you can't stick to the truth or at least some remote version of it, then I don't want to hear what you have to say.

#1. The last post by any Purge member was at 8:30 this morning. Since then it has been Dos from Tarsis Shriners and the rest are mostly members of your guild. Its your own people that won't let the thread die. So don't come here being all seslf righteous about the Purge not letting it go.

#2 Zimjin messaged Dethacus in a very civil manner. The response was 'your mom'. On this, I point you to post #112 in the post that Zim made on the WoW Forums here
And I quote:

no i told dethacus to tell him the guild leader was his mom.

So there it is... you are an officer? And thats how you handle a legitimate request from another quild? And you expect us to go to your forum. Give me whatever it is that you're smoking because I want to be in that dreamland too.

Again, please do not come to our board unless you have something truthful and worthwhile to say.

I have just about had it with all the useless crap that spews out of your guilds collective mouths. You want to come here and make nice? Try and learn a little tact, and maybe how to get events straight before you do.

Thank you very much.

[Manji]

You want truthful., I'm being entirely truthful. I've not once lied to you.

It wouldn't have been possible for zimjin to have messaged demented anyway. the man was at work. Zimjin never explained the reason why he needed to talk to demented.

it never crossed my mind that he would be so offended by the "your mom" comment because people sometimes have senses of humor. I wish dethacus took it upon himself to say " naw i'm kidding" but zimjin didn't go " no really, who's your guild leader?"




look,

So an officer did know what was going on at the time. In fact, it was you.

No, I was only told that " some dude just messaged me asking who our guild leader was"

Sos I said to him " tell him your mom" like i said, it never crossed my mind that it would really be a "serious" matter since no one really comes up to us with serious matters anyway.



like i've stated before all the crap started due to a misunderstanding. the misunderstanding being "your mom".


I'm not leaving because i'm telling the truth. I'm no spokesman for guild disbanded. I try do help end stupid shit when i can.



look, it's 1:18 am. im tired and i feel sick due to a stomach virus. this has largly been the reason for my "unintelligent" posts as of late. if you don't want to beleive me. fine whatever.



but what i say still is the truth and you can deny it however you may please since it seems as if my posts "dont make any sense".


Before i go, I'm serious in this question. no offense to anyone intended. Just trying to see where all this maturity is coming from. notice i said maturity not immaturity.



How old are you guys? just so I can try harder for myself to understand where you all are coming from.

[Zeel]

How old are you guys? just so I can try harder for myself to understand where you all are coming from.

I think it would be safe to say that a vast majority of this guild have been out of college for more than a few years

We've been doing this stuff for a long time. The impression I get from reading your boards and posts on the blizz site is that you guys are a bit younger than us and may not have as much MMORPG time under your collective belts. Some of the stuff we've been back and forth on are very basic PVP server concepts that many of us respect when we play these games... such as, don't cross-team.

Oh, and don't get any of that flu on your next post... I can't afford to get sick right now

[Manji]

Oh, and don't get any of that flu on your next post... I can't afford to get sick right now

i've been feeling like total shit for the past couple of days. i blame that and lack of sleep for my idiotics

The impression I get from reading your boards and posts on the blizz site is that you guys are a bit younger than us and may not have as much MMORPG time under your collective belts. Some of the stuff we've been back and forth on are very basic PVP server concepts that many of us respect when we play these games.

this is my 3rd or 4th pvp game.


Ragnarok online, but that had shitty pvp. Asherons call+2 , i've beta tested many games too.


I think a few of the others, the core members, came from planetside.

[Sigmire]

most of the main people in <Purge> have been playin MMO PvP stuff since at least '99.

[Singularity]

Probably longer than that, Krym. I started UO in '97 I believe. :wink:

[Hoofhurr]

There was life before online gaming but I can't remember when that blurred into my current gaming lifestyle so I'm not sure!

[Sigmire]

that's why i said "at least" Cinder ;P :twisted:

[Flab]

I was a beta tester for PONG online.

[Manji]

I was a beta tester for PONG online.

rofl...




BTW, you guys seen the "hitlist" for the antiphthy dude on the BH official forums?

For some reason i'm on it.